Rita
17/11/2020 07:25:35 pm
People will not trust a leader if they are a bad person. A bad person would not care, for example if people were killed or harmed. Imagine they found out that some everyday drug was causing serious health problems but no-one knew. If the leader had a financial deal with the company they would have no problem covering up what was happening. This action is not in the best interest of the people who follow her/him.
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Daniel
17/11/2020 07:28:09 pm
Leadership is not telling the truth. If people think they are being treated fairly and have good conditions like employment and housing, then they will consider them a good leader.
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Sam
17/11/2020 07:30:45 pm
People don't expect their leaders to be always good. As long as they can make hard decisions and know what to do in an emergency, then they are good leaders. If they can inspire and engage people and make good speeches that is also a good sign
Jane
18/11/2020 06:42:53 pm
Plato spoke about the quality of leadership. Only well - educated leaders could govern societies. It is up to us to choose better leaders who are strong and rational.
Liam young
19/11/2020 12:15:28 pm
I do not think the leader has to treat people fairly to be a good leader. I think leaders just have to be able to make choices in every situation without being indecisive. The decision does not have to be right, there just has to be a decision because a decision is better than none.
tadhg
19/11/2020 12:28:47 pm
I think Hitler was a good leader as for a long time he completed his objectives and was undefeated. Htiler also was able to boost the German economy
Ellie
19/11/2020 09:24:47 am
People do trust bad people who are leaders, for instance Hitler or Trump, very bad people, Hitler, who mass murdered 5 million, and Trump, a supposed rapist and abuser. They were both leaders, who had large amounts of followers, and their followers trusted them immensely. I take your point in, but I disagree.
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Tasiana
19/11/2020 10:08:39 am
Yes, I think a bad person can be a great leader, But than what is good and bad? and it also depends on what you hold most important. Take Hitler, he led his country to near world domination but then he killed millions of people to do something, so does that mean to be a good leader you must be selfish? or to be a good leader do you need power? It’s a very grey question because it’s hard to agree on what the question even means.
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Catherine 3th year
19/11/2020 12:16:17 pm
I agree with you that most people will not follow a bad person but you are look at the fact people know this person is bad. But in reality we do not now if a person is bad straight away.
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Rosa (3rd year)
19/11/2020 12:23:10 pm
I disagree, I think with use of propaganda and creation of a cult of personality around the leader people will be easily manipulated into believing that they are trustworthy. For example with Hitler, he recognized the use and key role of propaganda and its link to trust, he even had a minister for propaganda (Joseph Goebbels) and he was a good leader (to a certain group of people) in terms of economic prosperity and leading the country out of an economic crash. I think this shows as long as a leader can gain the trust of the people they will be successful, it doesn’t matter if they are morally ‘good’.
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Rosie 3rd year
19/11/2020 12:37:32 pm
I disagree. People do trust bad people as leaders e.g. Trump and Hitler. People trusted/trusts them because a cult of personality was created around Hitler and people who are Trump supporters take everything he says as fact. A bad person can be a great leader if your criteria for a good leader is just for the leader to be good at inspiring and leading.
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Julianne Mulcahy
27/11/2020 12:14:23 pm
I think the main purpose of a leader is to lead by example. Be being a leader you have to encourage those ‘below’ you to act in a similar way. The world is made up of hierarchies and it’s the person at the top’s job to show the others how to act
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2nd year student
25/11/2022 10:17:15 am
i think that it depends on what you think, you might think a leader is bad but someone else might think that they’re good. it’s your opinion if you think somebody is bad, for example some people supported hitler, and some didn’t.
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Sam
17/11/2020 07:31:51 pm
I guess it means what you are leading. If you are leading a country it is different to leading a criminal gang
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Ben
17/11/2020 07:40:18 pm
I think a leader is someone who gets things done, is fearless, takes risks and doesn't mind confrontation. Being nice and kind might not get the best deal. Thinking about others feelings all the time might stop you making an urgent decision
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Olivia
19/11/2020 09:13:12 am
It depends on what you think is a good leader is, is it a person who is good at leading and gaining a following, or is it a bad person making good decisions for the people they are leading?
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Karl
19/11/2020 09:13:57 am
I think a bad person can be a good leader. For example Hitler was a very bad person but he did what he wanted to do and a lot of people listened to him and respected him although he was definitely a bad person.
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Ellie
19/11/2020 09:14:56 am
I believe that yes, a bad person can be a good leader, because sometimes leaders can be controlled or influenced from people other than themselves, so if the leader is a bad person, they could have good people instructing them or telling them what to do. Bad people can also have influence over a certain group of people. Take Trump for instance. In my opinion, he is a really bad person, but many people believe in him and think he is a good person, and in their eyes, a good leader. So yes, I do think that a bad person can be a good leader.
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Olivia
19/11/2020 09:25:39 am
Yes I agree
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Eoghan
19/11/2020 09:15:03 am
I would say freedom is more important because then you are free to do what you want to do and that might not be a safe thing. Your hobby might be to go skydiving or hunting in the wild and they might not be safe but you are free to do them.
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Sophie
19/11/2020 09:18:10 am
In my opinion I do think a bad person can be a good leader, for example Adolfo Hitler because he lead a massive army into many battles, but he also was a bad influence on them all because he convinced them that it is ok to kill Jewish people and keep them in concentration camps. But what is classified as a bad person or what is a good leader? A good example of this is Gorge Washington. You don’t have to agree with me that he is a bad person because he did some very good things, but he also kept slaves, so I will say he isn’t the best of people. As you know he lead an army as well was the president of the United states of America which was leading a whole country. So in my opinion these people were in one way or another bad people but good leaders.
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Euan 8th year
19/11/2020 12:22:15 pm
Just because Hitler was a good leader to the Protestant and catholics doesn’t make him a good leader, a good leader doesn’t try to exterminate all the Jews,minority’s and disabled people in his country They’re still Germans a leader isn’t supposed to kill his own people
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Roan
19/11/2020 09:19:59 am
A bad person can be a good leader?
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Eoghan
19/11/2020 09:21:18 am
Yes because a good leader could be able to act Quick in emergencies and could be good at fixing problems but they could still be a bad person.
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Abby
19/11/2020 09:22:07 am
Yes, a bad person can be a good leader. Hitler was a good leader but a bad person. He won many battles and was very dedicated to his work. He was very good at conveying his message. Is everybody a bad person?
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Michael(3rd year)
19/11/2020 12:22:24 pm
Winning battles is not a sign of good leadership i think.Hitler failed to protect everyone who lived in Germany a leader should be for everyone not just one race.In my opinion aleader is someone to look up to or a role model not someone who brainwashes people.
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Parker
19/11/2020 12:23:44 pm
Why should we believe hitler is good leader he discriminated people for their race and religion and people believe that he was an amazing leader but he used propaganda and brainwashed the people of Germany, people believe he made his country again but all he did put his country back into depression once again after the war. So to me when a bad person is put in leadership they brainwash their society
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Felix kenny
19/11/2020 09:22:42 am
I think you do now need to be a good person to be a good leader as in my opinion one of the greatest leaders in history was also one of the worst people in history Hitler, Hitler was responsible for conquering half of Europe, he brought one of the largest and most powerful empires at the time to its knees, Britten. He brought Germany out of a massive hole they were in because of the treaty of Versie. But (and I hope we can all agree on this) hitler was one of the worst people in history he was basically responsible for ww2 and he was responsible for the death of 20million people
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Molly
19/11/2020 12:12:26 pm
This is all true but hitler was still a leader, he convinced millions of people to believe him and believe all the horrible things he was doing were good
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Jessica (2nd Yr)
19/11/2020 10:00:50 am
I think a bad person can be a good leader, because just because you're a bad person doesn’t mean you’ll be a bad leader because as long as everyone will listen to you and think your always right.
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Sophia
19/11/2020 12:14:01 pm
I disagree with this because if a person is bad and is a leader loads of people might not listen and agree to the leader as the leader is a bad person. If you are a bad person you can get a very bad reputation and become known as a bad person and loads of people will not want to be lead by a bad person.
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Daniel 3rd year
19/11/2020 12:21:40 pm
Well what do you think is considered to be a good leader and what do you think leaders do? Leaders should be able to protect their citizens, be educated and have the best choice in mind. Take Donald trump for example, he was uneducated and he did not protect his citizens during the pandemic. Trump is a bad person and people have views that he is right but he is still a very bad leader. Maybe he could of brainwashed. Leaders should be role modeling for everyone
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Eva (2nd Yr)
19/11/2020 10:01:55 am
I think a a bad person can be a good leader, because although a bad person might have bad intentions they can still get them done well. Also people can still agree with the bad persons views and follow them, with the bad person doing a good job of spreading their ideas and leading the group. Also some people have good intentions but a bad way of getting them done which Is debatable if they are a good or bad person... I also think it is unfair for Plato to ask people to be physically strong, and academically smart because some people can be smart in the way they think and lead rather than good at maths and science..
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Issam (2nd Yr)
19/11/2020 10:02:33 am
As college is expensive so only privilege people will be leader And leaders need to follow the rules if they don’t like the rules change them. What is a good person? What makes a good leader?
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Emily (3rd year)
19/11/2020 12:25:48 pm
I disagree with the fact that you said that it is unfair for people to be academically smart to be a leader. I understand that education can sometimes only be afforded by the privileged and I do think it is unfair that people who do not receive education may have less of a chance, but if a president or leader was uneducated on climate change, for example, this could cause the whole world to collapse. It could cause the extinction of a variety of species and enhance the possibilities of extreme weather. Science is the study of the world around us and I think it’s necessary for a leader to know about this.
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Eva
14/12/2020 09:40:48 pm
I’m not suggesting that an uneducated leader should be in charge, I just mean it was unfair for Plato to expect a leader to physically be strong, and to be academically smart as although both can be useful, is being physically strong more important then being smart in the way that a leader thinks and approaches situations?
Shane (2nd Yr)
19/11/2020 10:03:35 am
Yes, because as long as they make the right choices for their country. So really even if they are a bad person, it doesn’t matter because it’s about the choices they make. A good example of a bad person, good leader is Adolf Hitler. He may have been a horrible person and made some horrible choices, he also pushed Germany forward and expand their bourdes and empire.
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Daniel
19/11/2020 12:21:54 pm
Does a good leader make a better life for his\her countries people or does a good leader make a better life for humanity. Hitler yes is a good leader for increasing Germanies size and bringing back the economy but does that make him a great leader. He caused hurt for so many Jewish German citizens and other people. So many German families were broken from the war. It all depends your point of view and what you believe makes a good leader. An average German citizen embraces Hitler as he gives him a better life, but nearly anyone else would believe Hitler is a bad leader. Does winning battles make a good leader? Or making a better life for his citizens? Or just bettering humanity. For me a good leader is someone who makes everyones life better.
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Sam Farrar
19/11/2020 12:27:50 pm
Yes I agree with you but for me Hitler was a good leader because he was good for the economy and he made a great empire because no other dictatorship has been so close to world domination then to Hitler but then again he did brainwash and discriminate people of different races and beliefs, and used propaganda. So nearly all bad people who are leaders in society have brainwashed there people into believing bad things to benefit themselves. So in conclusion bad people in the long run are not good leaders.
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Finn (2nd Yr)
19/11/2020 10:04:27 am
It depends on what the president is doing to the country, they might do something that could be a threat to people’s life or mock people’s life like racism or sexism etc. There’s certain things a president can’t do but if you do it right, everyone can be a leader, unless you’re a criminal.
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Chloe (2nd Yr)
19/11/2020 10:05:34 am
I think a bad person can be a good leader for another group of bad people but for good people in some cases they might not be a good leader. They could be a good leader if they do good for the country and don’t break any laws and if they take other people’s thoughts into consideration but some bad leaders can do that as well.
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Justyna (2ndYr)
19/11/2020 10:06:27 am
It really depends on what your definition of a good person is.
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Frank(2nd Yr)
19/11/2020 10:07:23 am
I think a bad person is a subjective quality. A universal bad person like Adolf Hitler was a great orator and he made people follow him. He made people believe in his cause. He was a horrible person but knew how to get people to follow him. A person like Donald Trump made people follow after 8 years of a democratic government, people obviously wanted a change and they thought Trump could give them that. He turned out not to be a good leader as the division in American society is worse then ever. People are angry and people are suffering at the hands of the virus. I think a person who does bad things can’t be a good leader.
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Leah (2nd Yr)
19/11/2020 10:09:47 am
A bad person can sometimes be a good leader and have good intentions but sometimes they can have bad intentions , a leader should definitely follow the law and should never break it because they lead an example for other people
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Zoe
19/11/2020 12:17:10 pm
I disagree with your comment, if bad people sometimes have bad intentions then they are going to break the law. People aren’t going to want to follow a person with bad intentions. Majority of people would want to follow a good person with good intentions.
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Lucas (2nd Yr)
19/11/2020 10:15:02 am
Yes although they might not be completely morally correct, it isn't necessarily mean they are a bad leader.( It is important to think about what morally correct even means!) As long as they can run the country and make good decisions based on what they think will only have a positive effect
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Justyna (2nd Yr)
19/11/2020 10:17:50 am
I think a bad person can be a good leader but that depends on what's making him that bad person. Whether it is previous actions or just thinking bad things, does that make them equally bad? I think as long as they provide safety, have a good education and most importantly doesn't make a selfish action ( ie wouldn't suddenly turn their backs on the team/group to benefit themselves
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Isabelle
24/11/2020 11:04:12 am
I think a bad leader can be a good leader because a bad person could be good at leading a group to their goal but it just depends on what you think makes a bad person.
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Ella
24/11/2020 11:04:27 am
I think a bad person can be a good leader because they can lead a gang to do something bad but they can lead them well.
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Louis
24/11/2020 11:05:33 am
I think a bad person can be a good leader and it has shown in the past, leader such as hitler has killed tones of people but has gone for a goal with people backing him so if a leader can lead people to do things. I think that makes a good leader
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Ross
24/11/2020 11:06:27 am
Yes because just because this person is bad doesn’t mean this person is a bad leader so I think this person can be a good leader
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sasha
24/11/2020 11:07:24 am
I think what you consider a good leader or a bad person defines your answer to this question. I won’t have the same idea of a bad person as someone else. So in my opinion a bad person could be a good leader based on what i consider a bad person and a good leader.
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Abudi
24/11/2020 11:12:11 am
Yes yes i do agree with you dear sasha
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Pia
24/11/2020 11:09:09 am
Yes because even if the leader is a bad person that doesn’t mean the their leading skills are bad
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Finian ?
24/11/2020 11:10:35 am
I THINK HITLER WAS A REALLY GOOD LEADER, HE WAS A BAD PERSON BUT WAS STILL GOOD AT LEADING AND CONVINCING HIS PEOPLE
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Ms Andrews
24/11/2020 01:54:45 pm
Could you please justify your answer and offer concrete evidence? Perhaps start by defining what you mean by "leader". Would you agree that a leader of a country should put his/her people first? All people? Or is making people follow you blindly your definition of leadership? Please also read some of the other concerns raised here regarding the difference between "leader" and "authority". It might help you reply. (Also please do not use capitals- thank you)
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Hugo
24/11/2020 11:11:43 am
Yes cause they can use there bad habits to help people not do it
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Sarah
24/11/2020 11:14:18 am
Yes his/her leading skills can be great
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Jake
24/11/2020 11:14:42 am
Yes, I think a bad person can be a good leader because they can mistreat their people and their people and they could think he is a bad person but they can still lead their country or an army.
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Vadim TCG 5th year
27/11/2020 12:09:57 pm
What defines a bad person?
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Nadine (5th year politics)
27/11/2020 12:10:26 pm
No, a bad person will never care about the people they are supposed to lead. You can’t be a leader and not care about your citizens, that’s just someone on a power trip.
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Charlie (5th year polsoc)
27/11/2020 12:11:29 pm
Most people are not “good” or “bad”, many people lie in a grey area. It’s hard to define an average person as good or bad. I think people will have diffeent ideas about what a bad person is - bad to some will be great to others (e.g Donald Trump).
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Sam (TCG 5th Year)
27/11/2020 12:12:01 pm
A good leader is someone who has the ability to inspire their people and lead their nation to become better economically, socially and culturally. Someone's personal morality has no effect on this ability.
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Mateusz
27/11/2020 12:13:38 pm
It depends what they lead, if they morality would play an important, like with religious leaders, the answers would most likley be no, but other positions like president or ceo would require more managing skills and ither qualities rather that good personality.
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Isabelle
27/11/2020 12:15:53 pm
Yes, a bad person can be a good leader. It is possible to separate someone’s hateful or murderous urges from their actions in leading a country. Most politicians views simply reflect the views of the public so if I leader is considered a bad person it reflects the views of the public more than the politician themselves.
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